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Response to Lee's comments... I really want to apply for jobs I have seen on postings, but I couldn't. Because I did not have all the required RF design experiences. I would take a chance (anytime) if I can have mentors to teach me with RF designs. Most companies are searching for experienced engineers only. It isn't easy for us young engineers to search for work.

I think it is something similar in Japan, too.

Become second rate -- I think that has already happened. There are more Europeans companies on the Fortune 500 than US based. No hiring of young engineers, company hire ups all infected with post boom greed and stock option money, the corruption is deep. Second rate is already here.

The problem with this is the military has been outsourced to foreign countries and we are in trouble. Our military relies on high-tech devices, many requiring the talents of RF engineers to design and test. Soon there will be no ability to maintain our existing military capability, let alone develop any new defense systems that we may need in the future.

I agree it is a larger problem than RF engineers, it is a problem with any science or engineering field that this country would need to maintain a competitive edge in the world.

I think the companies leaders who outsource any of our capabilities should be sent to jail, or maybe GITMO, and then charged with treason.

We are rapidly becoming irrelevant on the world stage in all technological areas (and maybe more areas than that), and the only way to stop this is to redevelop home-grown capability and not allow our companies to outsource outside our borders.

Unfortunately, there is no longer a lifetime career path remaining for young RF Engineers in the US. Instead, difficult designs are created in the US and then migrated off-shore for production. Likewise, entry-level offshore RF engineers are then trained by experienced US-based RF Engineers on the production, and are also trained by doing simpler RF designs for a few years until they can produce simple RF designs on their own. Then the US design centers are shut down except for one or two "greybeards" who provide guidance as needed in bailing out the offshore facility RF design engineers. Hence, there is no longer a career path for young US engineers to follow to cut their design teeth on by doing simpler designs before tackling more complex designs, or to become proficient in the art of RF design. Within another 10 years, most of the US-based "greybeards" will have retired, the offshore design centers will be "up to speed", and the US will be a third world nation with a history of having made many past great contributions to engineering. Despite having over 30 years of continuous RF design experience, and 3 degrees (BSEE, MSEE, PhD), there are no young RF engineers at all where I consult that can be mentored. The average age is about 55; the youngest are about 50; the oldest are about 61; most plan to retire within 5-7 years. No hiring of young engineers is planned in the US, although there is hiring ongoing and planned for the offshore facilities.

Unfortunately, there is no longer a lifetime career path remaining for young RF Engineers in the US. Instead, difficult designs are created in the US and then migrated off-shore for production. Likewise, entry-level offshore RF engineers are then trained by experienced US-based RF Engineers on the production, and are also trained by doing simpler RF designs for a few years until they can produce simple RF designs on their own. Then the US design centers are shut down except for one or two "greybeards" who provide guidance as needed in bailing out the offshore facility RF design engineers. Hence, there is no longer a career path for young US engineers to follow to cut their design teeth on by doing simpler designs before tackling more complex designs, or to become proficient in the art of RF design. Within another 10 years, most of the US-based "greybeards" will have retired, the offshore design centers will be "up to speed", and the US will be a third world nation with a history of having made many past great contributions to engineering. Despite having over 30 years of continuous RF design experience, and 3 degrees (BSEE, MSEE, PhD), there are no young RF engineers at all where I consult that can be mentored. The average age is about 55; the youngest are about 50; the oldest are about 61; most plan to retire within 5-7 years. No hiring of young engineers is planned in the US, although there is hiring ongoing and planned for the offshore facilities.

I agree with the Mr. Browne's editorial as well as with Mr. Harris' comments. I would submit that the focus is overly narrow, however. It is more than only Design Engineers whose expertise is a national differentiator. It is also Test Engineers, Applications Engineers, System Engineers, etc. - anyone who's specialty requires years of experience to develop the "art" required to effectively apply the science.

I draw my example from the field of RF Test Engineering, since that is my background. Consider the challenges of designing a Device Interface Board (DIB) on which a test socket is mounted and which connects to the Automated Test Equipment (ATE). As the ATE must be designed to a generic IC test requirement so that its cost may be amortized over many different device types, it will typically have at least the capability of being configured with many more instrument connections than will be used by any one particular device. This leads to very complex DIB designs, often with 18 to 30 layers, FR4 or similar inner layers and microwave materials on the faces, multiple power supplies, relay controls, and high speed digital lines, single ended or differential, impedance controlled or not, etc. all combined on a single DIB. The socket itself contributes signal degredations due to parasitic inductances and capacitances. Yet the test must be fast, accurate, repeatable, and correlated to bench measurements that are typically performed on much simpler eval boards with focussed instrumentation setups and test time budgets in the minutes range for tests with time budgets of milliseconds on the production ATE systems. Then we could discuss the usually vendor-specific programming languages that the engineer must learn for each system in use, the DSP knowledge necessary for efficient test implementation, the communications theory needed for EVM and PER tests, etc.

I'm sure Apps and Systems, etc could each present a similarly extensive litany of required skills and knowledge to perform their jobs well. Your point is valid, but it applies to many more areas than only design.

Imagine if we decided it would be cheaper to "outsource" our military. We could replace what these execs would call our overweight, underexercised kids with their hardworking kids, and we'd have no casualties. After several years, we'd be utterly defenseless, having no military or military talent left.

The fact is, company higher ups are too greedy, lazy, shortsighted, and sorry, to develop our future design talent and our manufacturing base. They berate our eager, young, domestic promise and tout foreign promise as an excuse for their actions. They are ruining our country's future to line their own pockets and brazenly lying about their motives.

I'm not charitable at all on this issue.

Imagine if we decided it would be cheaper to "outsource" our military. We could replace what these execs would call our overweight, underexercised kids with their hardworking kids, and we'd have no casualties. After several years, we'd be utterly defenseless, having no military or military talent left.

The fact is, company higher ups are too greedy, lazy, shortsighted, and sorry, to develop our future design talent and our manufacturing base. They berate our eager, young, domestic promise and tout foreign promise as an excuse for their actions. They are ruining our country's future to line their own pockets and brazenly lying about their motives.

I'm not charitable at all on this issue.

The boards of directors and leaders of U.S. corporations must allocate funds to assist universities, technical schools and high schools and provide incentives to find and keep engineers and technicians who will work in this country. Currently, and increasingly over the past 20 years, most of the jobs in this field are tied to military or aerospace work. Many of these senior engineers are retiring and, according to them young engineers in most disciplines are hard to find or have not been properly prepared or lack the discipline to learn these needed skills in the workplace on a timely basis..especially in RF related areas. One solution has been, according to forward thinking companies with whom we have worked, has been to have their senior engineers teach in local schools in order to mentor and find qualified engineers to replace the ones who retire.